hontou ni Stripey Insists Sisters Cry Oniichan Now

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   Mentar
   April 18th, 2009 - 16:29

   Methinks you forget the siscon Shinra inflicts on Miyu … and in a reverse way, Yume feels towards Shinra. Hato-nee is only an extra, and yea, the exact opposite of loli.

   In any case, I still think that KimiAru should be a show Stripey should watch anyway, it’s certainly good enough.

   No, what really shocked me is that Stripey hadn’t read KissxSis yet, which is 100% in his sweetspot area and more or less REFERENCE material.

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   Zyl
   April 18th, 2009 - 18:11

   Oooh, Shinra seku hara of Miyu I liked very much. Particularly that the former only enjoyed it if the latter was unwilling rather than serving herself up on a plate. LOL But yuri siscon is more my thing than Stripey’s.

   I was an enjoyable enough series on its own merits but not something I’d particularly seek out or rewatch.

   Probably what you need to hook Stripey on KissxSis is a sample of the artwork. That’s how I got him started on Magikano (even though I never saw it myself LOL).

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   Nazarielle
   April 19th, 2009 - 15:47

   Well, I disagree, especially based on what Zyl (and Stripey) has said. KissxSis is not really in that sweetspot, because they’re not really his sisters and he says as much during the OVA episode, multiple times and even to his classmates. That takes the taboo element out of it and makes it much less interesting. I tend to agree that the whole point of making a siscon is because of the drama of the taboo. It’s interesting to watch because of the taboo. But if it’s not really a siscon, then there’s no reason to fuss over it. If we learn that they’re not really related, then all the drama is fake and unnecessary. As there’s no taboo, it really takes all of the interesting aspects of the story and strips them out, leaving a rather boring and plain romance story with fake drama in its place.

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   Mentar
   April 19th, 2009 - 21:30

   A bit overzealous today, aren’t we, Nazarielle?

   The issue of it being taboo or not takes up a major part of the storyline, and even the “blood relation or not, they’s still my sisters” question isn’t decisively answered so far, at least not for him. What still singles out this manga aswell is that it’s somewhere in the gap between “ecchi” and “H” where very few other shows have gone before. And while you’re entitled to your “boring and plain romance story” opinion, I strongly disagree. It’s a pretty interesting little show which carries on several more steps when most common other shows already stop

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   Watchman
   April 20th, 2009 - 03:50

   Actual biological relation is pretty irrelevant as far as the incest taboo goes anyway, not in the least because humans have only really understood the whole field of genetics for a rather short time. Plus, our sensory setup is really pretty lousy for figuring out if someone’s a close relative or not since that would basically require a fairly good ability to sort through their pheromones – which, thanks to a rather majorly vestigial vomeronasal organ, we kinda suck at.

   Taboos are per definition social constructs, and while it may have a solid enough basis in biology (ie. avoiding the problems associated with consanguinity) the one on incest is hardly different – it’s present in every known human society in one form or another, but the specifics of who’s defined as “close kin” for the purpose can vary to a rather startling degree. In the relevant ones, though, step- and adoptive siblings tend to count…

   On the psychological side of things the whole business seems to also be rather social in character; namely, the “gut-level”, instinctive definition of “siblings” would seem to be heavily dependent on close association as such during childhood. That’s a funny little stumbling block animu scriptwriters doing an incest-related romantic plot are AFAIK wont to ignore for some reason, known as the Westermarck effect…

   tl;dr – the lack of blood relation certainly doesn’t take the taboo factor out as far as sociocultural norms are concerned, and whether this also holds the case insofar as relevant individual “gut instinct” subconscious perceptions go would be heavily dependent on the specific details of the characters’ shared family history.

   So at least half – and arguably, the rather more important half given how much it tends to suck to end up defined as an aberrant freak by your surroundings (and the law…) – of the drama is by no means “fake”.

   Also, I apparently remember more from the Anthropology 101 course several years ago than is probably entirely healthy… -_-;

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   Ransom
   April 22nd, 2009 - 03:32

   I think you’re significantly underestimating the effect that pheromones have on the incest taboo. There was a bit on the Discovery Channel the other day about a recent study in Europe that found that a.) women generally have a negative reaction to male pheromones found in sweat, but not when their histocompatibility profiles are sufficiently different, and much less when ovulating, and b.) women have a much stronger aversion to the pheromones of men they are closely related to, even when they don’t know whose pheromones they’re smelling.

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   Zyl
   April 22nd, 2009 - 07:29

   That

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   Watchman
   April 22nd, 2009 - 08:31

   Well, it’s not like humans were completely dumb to pheromones; but close enough that they’re not terribly reliable for about anything.
   The olfactory sense just isn’t a very important “communications channel” in our makeup, when you get down to it. (I’m slightly curious as to what amounted to “reaction” and “stronger” in the study…)

   There is, also, apparently this weird little phenomenom.

   Morale of the story being, I’m guessing there’s a pretty good reason the socially associative psychological rejection effect and the sociocultural taboos derived from it.

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   Watchman
   April 22nd, 2009 - 08:38

   Or maybe, as Sasahara suggests, they don’t have sisters themselves…
   And/or Just Didn’t Care – “pandering the audience for fun and profit”, as it were. :/

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